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[Lovechips]

Full Tilt Poker, the well known online poker room, Has been rather good at keeping their lips sealed about both the legal events surrounding the site and also their business matters but recently the company decided to break its silence in order to comment on recent lawsuits (see other forum posting in news section) started by former clients Lary Kennedy and Greg Omotov. The online poker room gave a statement to the media about the case where they assert that the accusations are untrue and that the the closing of the two players account was justified and not for any attempts of fraud or mischief. News of the lawsuit broke out earlier in november when the lawer for the plaintiffs, Cyrus Sanai, filed the suit in a california court. Full Tilt Poker did address some but not all of the accusations which were made in a statement against them and referred to them as baseless and frivolous accusations. The statement was posted in full on Gambling911 explained that the accounts were appropriately terminated due to multiple violations of the express terms and conditions governing fair and lawful play in the Full Tilt Poker online virtual cardroom, including their own admissions of using multiple accounts. Kennedy made admissions to using multiple accounts in a long thread on a poker forum. She stated that at times she used Omotov's idle account to get action at the heads-up cash game tables after many regular players stopped playing with her when she logged onto her own personal account under her own usual username. Full Tilt Pokers statement also address the claims that the site operates its own bots on the cash tables by stating " Full Tilt Poker has never knowingly allowed ‘bots’ to play on its site… When fraud, collusion, and cheating of any kind is uncovered, Full Tilt Poker investigates extensively and then acts accordingly and appropriately, as was the case involving these claimants.”. Full tilt poker not only stood by their belief that the pair of players were cheating but they also made suggestions that the duo will "be obliged to compensate the aggrieved defendants for any harm that may arise out of their false allegations and for the wrongful institution of these bad faith legal proceedings." Whilst the statement from the online poker room giant did address the bot use issue, they did not make any comments on some other claims made in the suit in regards to racketeering, unfair competition and operating an illegal online casino in the state of california. The statement neither confirmed nor denied any claims in regards to Howard Lederer, Raymond Bitar and Chris Ferguson or their roles within the company. The company has not yet issued any statements in regards to the pendin lawsuit against them which involves former sponsored pro poker player Clonie Gowen and former employee Jason "JDN" Newitt.

[suds]

it is all abit too hard to call really, they make responses but only to selective issues, they neither defend themselves against the other allegations nor deny that they are true so it makes it all still up in the air at the moment. People will continue to play there even if they are proven to be guilty of what they are accused of but they would gain a reputation from it as well which may put new players off from wanting to play there so i guess they are just trying to keep their mouths closed as much as they possibly can and only comment if it is absolutely neccessary to do so.

[aussiegirl]

What can you believe? It is too hard to know who is telling the truth and who is lying at the moment. Ultimately we probably aren't getting the full, true, unedited story from anyone involved in any of it at all right now because let's face it, no one wants to admit to any wrong doing at all because of money. Those who are suing want money and those who are being sued want to keep their money. I think we have probably been lied to by both of them and maybe it is a case of some people trying to make a quick buck, who knows. What i do not understand is whether or not it was legal for the player to be doing the multi accounts thing or not. If it was against the rules and policy of the site for this person or these people to do that then shouldn't that automatically make the whole case void in the first place? Or at least really lower their credibility in the whole thing.

[Avenge]

If they are guilty of it then they deserve to not only be forced to pay restitution but to also be shut down because they have no reason to carry on like this other than their pure hunger for more and more cash. They make enough as it is and continue to do so despite all of the legal action that they have been faced with in recent times. Many people may lose their faith in online poker if they are found to be guilty but at the same time if they were guilty wouldn't they have offered to settle with the complaintants rather than continuing with it all and fighting against them? That would be the easiest way to go about it if they were guilty, just give them what they want so they leave you alone and you don't need to go through court over and over again. If they are guilty they are not really acting like it despite their relative silence over it all.

[DhD]

I guess that you can not really blame the company Full Tilt Poker for taking so long to make responses or comments regarding the current legal action and the claims being made against them. They need to choose their words very carefully in order to avoid any one taking what they are saying out of context because all it takes is for one single person to get the wrong idea from a comment and pass it on as they took it to mean over to another person and then it will be a whole new bunch of drama to have to deal with as rumors and what not start to circulate even more. I do not think that you can take their silence in the beginning of all of this as a sign of either their guilt or their innocence, take it more so as a self preservation move.

[shyguy]

Yes the amount of time that it has taken for full tilt poker to make any comments about all of these allegations and legal issues should not be something that makes people determine whether or not they are guilty. There have been people who were guilty of things in the past who did not say a single word until they went to trial (at which they were declared to be innocent and released) and all because they felt that silence was the best way to go about it rather than having anything that they did say twisted and turned into something else. With large companies, just as with celebrities and high profile cases, the more commenting that is made by either party stirs up more media attention and coverage which can result in, and often does result in, what is known as a trial by media, where the public make up their own minds on the guilt of the accused purely by the things they have seen or heard or read in the media which then in turn leaves the accused with not much chance of being relieved of the accusations even after they are found to be innocent.

[Trina]

It comes as no surprise at all to me that it has taken full tilt poker such a long amount of time to make public comments in response to the legal troubles that they are currently facing. Actually I am some what surprised that they decided to make any responses about it all to the public in the first place. I would expect them to have stayed tight lipped about the whole thing until it finally went to court and a verdict was made, that is if it even gets that far in the first place. I guess that no matter what they say or do they will remain guilty in the eyes of some people, even if they are found to be innocent or the charges and allegations against them are dropped.

[Lovechips]

If they do turn out to be innocent in the end then i really do hope that the people who started the whole thing are made to pay for the whole ordeal. Legal fees that were obtained by full tilt poker for their lawyers and the legal proceedings etc and also an amount of restitution for the customers that surely would have left because of the allegations should be made to full tilt poker by the people who started all the controversy in the first place. It is too hard to call who is being truthful and who isn’t. Truth be told they are all probably lying to us about something, even if it is just a small alteration of the truth. You would think if the people who made the allegations were lying they would have dropped it by now but you also have to take into consideration that full tilt poker has not offered them any amount of money as a settlement to stop any further action, which would be why the accusers have not backed off yet. I will not be taking sides until i see some actual proof, until then it is anyones guess.

[Jacob412]

Is what the woman who is making complaints against full tilt poker doing in the first place even allowed? She was using more than one account and do they permit this? Sounds a little bit dodgy to me. Maybe she was doing something wrong, got caught and the accounts were shut down, the site probably even says they do this if you do not abide by their rules and conditions of use or whatever they have. I do not blame them for taking their time when it comes to making a response. They probably do not want to give away too much information. The ones making the claims have not received any offers for hush money which is why they are still going ahead with it in my opinion, bet you if they were offered money to settle out of court they would take it in a heartbeat, they are not being offered any money to settle out of court by full tilt poker which only leads me to think that maybe the online poker giant actually is innocent in all this and the ones making the claims are just plain greedy and angry that they got caught out.

[cindy2010]

I do believe that the appropriate phrase that we should be thinking of in this case is “Innocent until proven guilty” we have no proof that full tilt poker are actually guilty of anything at all and neither do they so far to the best of my knowledge at least, so we can not really condemn them yet because we just do not know. Of course we are not being told the full story here. Are we ever really told the full story? No not at all. The media is a shocker for this, they report things but they only report on the parts that would peak the most interest, they do not tell you everything despite the fact that you really do need to know all of the facts to be able to make an informed decision on how it makes you feel. For example, they tell us Britney spears had shaved her hair off and was losing her mind, they did not tell us of the problems that were happening in her relationship and her family and her career at the time. They only tell us what they want to tell us. Let’s face it, the truth does not really sell magazines as much as half truths and made up stories do.