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[3kings]

The legal troubles for Full Tilt Poker just keep growing and growing with the site now under lawsuit number three to go along with the pending legal action from the former pro player Clonie Gowen and also former employee Jason "JDN" Newitt. Different to the other previous two cases, this third suit is from a customer instead of someone with internal knowledge of the companys inner workings. Online poker player Lary "pokergirl z" Kennedy and former full tilt customer Greg Omotoy filed their official complaints on the first of october and levied accusations of libel, slander, fraud, false advertising and racketeering against the well known online poker room. Both Kennedy and Omotoy sought legal action after the poker room took more than $80,000 from the two players accounts because the site was under the impression that the players were using bots which the use of is prohibited under the sites terms of service. Soon after her account had been frozen in 2007, Kennedy then posted her story on the well known TwoPlusTwo online poker forum in order to seek advice. As the thread grew the news broke that Kennedy was using multiple accounts and logging into Full Tilt on Omotoys account in the hopes of getting more action at the heads up tables. The official complaint against the Full Tilt site alleges that a player under the name of "TheComplainer" on the site, made accusations that Kennedy was in face a bot and suggests that his good standing with the poker room resulted in her being removed from the site. TheComplainer is known on the TwoPlusTwo community as "Crazy Mike" and also "Gatorade" and has had a reputation as being an anti bot poker crusader and has accused many other players of being bots also. As well as seeking restitution and damages in relation to the funds which were taken, the lawsuit accuses the site of many other crimes and makes insinuations about the management team of the site and just how they work. The suit is filed against multiple companies, Full Tilt Poker and Tiltware as well as several individual members of Team Full Tilt. The list of individuals who are named in the claim include Howard Lederer, Raymond Bitar, Phil Gordon, Chris Ferguson, Andy Bloch, Perry Friedman, Erick Lindgren, Erik Seidel, Phil Ivey, Patrik Antonius, John Juanda, Gus Hansen, Mike "The Mouth" Matusow and Allen Cunningham. In the claim, Otomys and Kennedys representation explains that Full Tilt at first consisted of two seperate companies by the names of Tiltware and Vert Enterprises. Suggestions are made that despite the assertion by Full Tilt that they are seperate entities which operate out of california and st.kitts and nevis, respectively, the two companies are one in the same and even suggest the Vert Enterprises actually ran an office out of LA for a period of over two years. When making descriptions of the roles of the individuals who are named in the suit, the claim also puts forward the argument that Bitar, Lederer and Ferguson all play a major executive position in the company. The lawsuit accuses Ferguson and Bloch of actually creating bots in order to further populate the slow cash game tables on the site and to maximise the profits of the company. The bot accusation and the contention that Team Full TIlt and Full Tilt Red Pros were playing with "house money" are used in the claim to paint Full Tilt as an online casino instead of a cardroom, and thus in violation of California state law as well as the online gaming laws which are in place in several other states. The illegal online gambling charges go along with accusations of fraud, unfair competition and also false advertising.

[PrettyInPink]

With all of the stuff that has been going on legally with Full Tilt Poker i am starting to wonder if they are really a safe site to be gambling on in the first place. I haven't been on the site or anything like that and I am now glad that i haven't. I wonder what they have been up to though. Surely all the legal action that has been taken against them in recent times isn't all just made up by people chasing abit of cash, no way, there's too many different complaints and people complaining about them for it to all be false accusations. I also wonder whether or not all of this bad publicity and legal troubles have caused the well known and very popular poker site to lose any of its clients. Surely there would have to be some people who have taken their business elsewhere due to all of this controversy which has recently surrounded the poker site.

[Gregn]

Does anyone know of any updated information of how all these law suits against Full Tilt poker are going and if so can you please put it up here and get us all up to date? Lol. Despite all of this I have still come across a fair few people who continue to play on full tilt poker and plan to continue doing so which brings me to the conclusion that the lawsuits may have naturally cost them a few of their paying players it hasn't lost all of them and they still have a few devoted players up their sleeves.

[Lovechips]

If Full Tilt Poker really are guilty of something illegal whether it be on management or financial levels or in regards to manipulation of programming and software then i hope that they are punished and by punished i do mean severely not just a slap on the wrist and a "don't do it again" because gambling companies such as this make absolutely unbellievable amounts of money and for them to be ripping people like us off with rigged games is unacceptable, would be funny to see them go down hard if they are guilty, with a punishment such as having to reimburse every cent any player has ever lost when playing on their site, that would hurt.

[sleuthy]

one would be inclined to believe that these people are genuine or at least genuinely believe the claims and allegations that they are making because if they were simply making it all up to get a quick buck i think that they have gone well and truly beyond the means that most people would to so, if that is all that they were after they probably would have pulled out of it ages ago and not let it get to the point of this kind of publicity and lawsuits like it has done now, so i would believe them purely because anyone else probably would have given up by now, and if they are making it all up then you have to give them credit for their dedication to it all lol.

[DhD]

yes if they are infact guilty of scamming people and using methods of deception and such things then they do deserve to be punished and punished severly with a whole lot of money to pay to all the people they have scammed. Full tilt is such a huge online gambling site though so why the hell would they go off and scam people in the first place? They are that popular and make that much money already that there is no need for them to scam people like this, it would cost them more to scam the people than it would to be fair and pay out the winners and take money from the losers.

[omahaplaya]

If this does indeed turn out to be true it will be a sad day for online poker and the whole online poker industry, not just full tilt. A company as large and popular as full tilt poker has no reason for using such deceptive methods because they already make a whole heap of money on a daily basis from its thousands if not millions of players that are from all over the world that play day and night with real cash, when considering how much they pay out in comparison to how much they actually get in from online gamblers the reason for them to use deceptive methods would be pure greed as it certainly isn't out of need.

[robert]

If they do end up proving that this is in fact all complete truth then i would have to say that it is indeed a sad day for the online poker world when a site so popular and well known as this one ends up resorting to such horrid tactics in order to line their pockets which would already have had been adequately lined anyway. There is no need for them to cheat like that and the only reason they would is out of nothing but greed wanting to make themselves even richer than what they already would be. If this is true i would have to say that they should pay severely, they should be shut down, i would never trust them ever again, i would be disgusted.

[Marianna]

Why should any company that makes the amounts of money that full tilt would make, and that is as popular as full tilt is, go off and scew people over like this? Makes not a single shred of sense to me at all really. Why risk everything, finances and reputation and even the business itself just to rip people off some extra money? Aren't they already making enough money as it is without having to go to the extremes of rigging their site to earn the maximum out of people via ways of deceit? I believe in karma dearly and i hope that if they have been doing this stuff that karma comes back to bite them and i hope it gets a case of lockjaw and causes a whole lot of pain.

[Trina]

It is pretty shocking to hear that a site that is so popular and has as many fans as full tilt poker does, is being accused of these types of scams and bad ethics. They do not need to do it at all and there will be plenty of disappointed people if it turns out that this is all true. Just how many legal actions are they currently being faced with? You would have to think they would be losing clients and money over all of this, there is no way that every single member of the site would be sticking by them throughout all of this, no matter how much they have won on the site. Although more people would be inclined to leave if they were losing more than they were winning obviously. I do not trust the site anymore myself, if this was the first and only legal action and accusation against them then i may be different and stick with them giving them the benefit of the doubt but as far as my thoughts go this is too much all at once for me to stand by them.